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posted 2010/01/26 11:00    Visibility: World by claudiaab
last edited on 2011/09/06 18:40 by claudiaab


A few points about the forum presentation:

I assume that the forum is totally boring or even completely confusing for any BeWelcome member not involved in programming or volunteering. The reasons as I see them

 

  • group-forum posts are displayed in the normal forum, which is fine in the transparency spirit, but not in the community spirit, since 80% of forum posts (if not more) are volunteer related and not exactly an eye-catcher for warmth and community spirit as a newcomer would look for.
  • group-forum posts can be set to different visibility, but what exactly does 'standard' visibility mean? Maybe some details should really be discussed IN the groups and not for the general public - I know, transparency... But we bore people to death!
  • The Recent Forum posts include the Sticky Threads on top. Once we have 6 Sticky Threads, you will not see ANY new forum post there, but even now it is misleading. I honestly believed NOTHING was going on in the forum, since the first Recent Post was always the same
Maybe some of you have some good ideas how to keep the balance between transparency (and also the possibility of pulling people inside some groups that start off by only reading from outside what is going on) and less tech-talk in the forum display. I don't want to push the tech-talk away, it is needed and should not take place anywhere else, but maybe it doesn't need to be displayed in all its abundance on the first page of the forum.
 
Claudia 

 

posted 2010/01/26 12:44    Visibility: World by tgoorden
last edited on 2011/09/06 18:40 by tgoorden


Hey Claudia,

You make some good point that I am sure in most cases are pretty well known in the design/dev team. I would add the following remarks:

  • It seems to me that the current state of the forums is a direct result of the many cool things that have been added very recently (tags, geotags, etc). Obviously the capabilities of those systems haven't been fine-tuned yet.
  • Most of the central areas (profile, forum, groups and dashboard) deserve a design approach where we think about everything at once: the way areas interact, the position you come to expect links and buttons, what is "most important", etc. I think merely working on the forum design by itself will just have it diverge from the rest, whereas we definitely should be thinking about design consistency as well.

It looks to me that a few design efforts (forum, dashboard and profile especially) should be combined into one effort to make them consistent and easy to use.

Cheers,
Thomas

posted 2010/01/26 18:26    Visibility: World by lemon-head
last edited on 2011/09/03 09:57 by lemon-head


Well, I totally agree.

Of course a big and consistent design effort would be nice, but some small things could be done independently of that.

The first question is: Which topics should be displayed on the forum start page?
(bewelcome.org/forums)

I think it makes sense to include group topics on this page, but only for those groups that you are a member of. And if we do this, we need to give much better visual clues indicating which group the post belongs to.

I also think that a linear list with the latest activity on top is a good idea for a "hub" page, where people check what's going on. Better than grouping the display by groups or categories.

We could pimp up the entire thing with semantic visual effects, such as:
- for group posts, we can show a thumbnail of the group image.
- another thumbnail image for the topic starter, or the author of the latest post.
- colors and graphics indicating how old this post is, and how much time has passed since the last activity, or the entire activity history. (sounds complicated, but we could start with easy things).

And, very important:
- Visual indication for unread posts. 
- Visual indication for subscribed posts.

I imagine that with a lot of these things implemented we could consider to dismiss the zebra striping effect. 

A lot of this can be done with CSS classes on the table row, and optional visual effects could be added to the page with javascript, so it doesn't bloat the original html. 

Regarding the page layout:
- Sticky topics should be visually separated from the rest, with a bit of space. 
- Continents, categories and tags should go in the sidebar, along with a list of my groups. This allows more of the list content to show up above the fold.

We can provide other pages where people can see a list of ALL posts they are allowed to see, no matter if they are member of the group or not. That could be "forums/all".  And another for subscribed posts.. 

posted 2010/01/26 18:52    Visibility: World by matthias
last edited on 2011/09/03 09:57 by matthias


Should't we rather provide a good selection of categories on the forum start page? I assume most users just click on "New Topic" to start a thread. This makes it's harder and harder to find topics in which a certain user might be interested. Most of the forums are structured like this.

I am not sure if a list of the last topics attracts people who uses the forum for the first time. But maybe it would be good to hear the opinion from a "newbie" after only experienced forum users wrote their statement here ;-)

posted 2010/01/26 19:16    Visibility: World by lemon-head
last edited on 2011/09/03 09:57 by lemon-head


Hm, I think there are two use cases:
1) Find any topics for a specific category of interest, including older ones.
2) Check the latest activity, no matter which group or subforum.
3) Maybe I want to check the latest activity, but only for one specific category or group?

For 1) and 3), we should display the most important groups and categories.

For 2) I think we need to provide a linear list of recent activity, sorted by latest post. Maybe this can be on a separate page, it doesn't need to be on the forum start page. But I'm sure this is important for regular forum visitors.

posted 2010/01/26 19:37    Visibility: World by tgoorden
last edited on 2011/09/03 09:57 by tgoorden


Considering the fact that we'll be polling the community, how about questions we can ask them instead of assumptions?

If you can write what you need to know about forum usage in disagree-agree terms (a statement with which the user can agree or disagree with varying degrees), I'll make sure it gets included.

Thomas

posted 2010/01/26 19:43    Visibility: World by matthias
last edited on 2011/09/06 18:40 by matthias


Yes, we should definately have a page with the latest activity. But it think the most important and tricky point is to work out which boards/categories are of interests for most of the members. i.e.

  • Technical Help
  • New features (brainstorming) 
  • Meetings
  • Politics
  • Travelling
  • etc

to name only a few i have in my mind.

posted 2010/01/29 23:25    Visibility: World by lemon-head
last edited on 2011/09/03 09:57 by lemon-head


I think it's a good idea to have one start page with main categories and groups.

The category display should be more than just a list of links. Instead, we should show them in a table with numbers for the latest activity, number of unread topics, etc. Similar to what we know from existing forum software.

We should show three such tables (or one table, but with visually separated blocks):

* Thematic categories (as we have them)

* Region categories. This could be the continents, but it could also be tailored to the user's location, or locations the user is interested in. In any case, we don't want that section to become too long, because there is something below.

* Groups the user is a member of.

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Then we want a separate page with latest activity for all or subscribed topics. 

posted 2010/01/30 14:14    Visibility: World by matthias
last edited on 2011/09/03 09:57 by matthias


@lemon-head: Yes, that's exactly how would like to see the forum startpage. I made a draft some time ago but didn't receive any feedback. It still needs some "visual pimping".

posted 2010/01/30 21:27    Visibility: World by lemon-head
last edited on 2011/09/03 09:57 by lemon-head


I think that's more or less what we need.

Layout / Graphics:
- The tables are floating in a sea of nothing, so I think they should have more graphical left and right borders.
- The author + date could be stretched a bit, so it would fit in 2 rows instead of 3. Then we could show more stuff above the fold.

Information Display:
- More semantic graphical icons and effects, to visualize the age of the last post, to separate places from categories, etc.
- Number of unread posts? Number of new unread posts? Age of unread posts?

Content:
- Personalized places? I think this would make sense for the future, but right now we don't have that many place-related topics anyway. So let's keep an eye on this.
- My groups. Maybe this can be split in "local groups" and "topic groups"

Overlapping categories?

I think the point of a category-based forum is to have truly disjoint containers. Why:
- You can go through the disjoint containers one after the other, and in the end you can be sure that you have seen everything you wanted to see. Esp, you did not miss anything, and you did not see anything twice.
- Every item in the tree structure (and a nested structure of disjoint containers is a tree structure) has a unique location, giving a clear concept of telling where you are.

As far as I know, the place categories can overlap with the general categories. To get really disjoint categories, we would have to take out the places from the list, and display them in a different way. I'm not sure about this.

Also we need to force people to choose a category for new posts. Either by visiting that category page before clicking "New forum topic", or by a mandatory dropdown select field on topic creation.

posted 2010/01/30 21:29    Visibility: World


That said, I think that we should not implement all of what I said above. Start with something simple, and then collect further feedback.

posted 2010/01/30 21:48    Visibility: World by crumbking
last edited on 2011/09/03 09:57 by crumbking


I absolutley agree. As the ideas in the screen shot takes a while. Therefore I suggest to start with

a) move categories, tag cloud and  continent links into the sidebar.

b) second step: add some tracking to the links if they are actually used by the members.

c) in the long run start with the new forum as shown in the screen shot.

@claudia

Sure we need not to bore people with volunteer stuff. But as long as the community is not that active .. why not showing what is going on!

posted 2011/04/19 08:41    Visibility: World by cohen
last edited on 2011/09/03 09:57 by cohen


If you like join our Vacation exchange group you will find it in my profile or look in my c.s. profile  under profile nick name catania

 

hope to see you in to share during the month of august 2011 a pleasant vacation .

 

Salute Michel

posted 2011/08/18 22:21    Visibility: World by yg458
last edited on 2011/09/06 18:40 by yg458


I don't know how the forum works but it looks like i receive mails of it, so I wanted to react on the topic Facebook, as it seams somehow inpossible to react by mail. Anyway my appologies if this isn't the right place to react on this, but I find the website very complicated.

Facebook can be a useful thing (for websites and initiatives that already work fine) but let us first make sure, Be Welcome members become more active and that everyone (including myself) has the possibility and knows how to upload a picture on his or her profile (so we don’t have to refer to hotmail/msn or Facebook if another member wants to see our pictures)! Anyone who can help?

posted 2011/08/19 15:15    Visibility: World by crumbking
last edited on 2011/09/03 09:57 by crumbking


Hey,

simply use this link: http://www.bewelcome.org/editmyprofile

In the first tab (profile summary) you see an upload fom. Click the button and select a picture from your computer.

If you have any question, do not hesitate to ask...

cheers crumbking