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Explaining the title: "Founder of this group",and "no owner"

Group: bewelcomevolunteers

Lovius
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posted 2011/09/05 08:07    Visibility: World by Lovius
last edited on 2011/09/06 18:40 by Lovius

Hi all,

Can some one explain the logic behind the "Founder of this group" title and how to create groups with "no owner"?

It it nessassery for administration?

If you can remove the founder of a group can some one else take over, or will the group remain "no owner" forever?

Hope I not missed a wiki page about this, but if I have please point me in the right direction.

 

Max

 

 

pablobd
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posted 2011/09/05 13:59    Visibility: World by pablobd
last edited on 2011/09/06 18:40 by pablobd

as far as i understand the founder is kind of a moderator, can edit the description, the image, invite people, ban people, and so on

i'm sure there's some trick to change the owner of a group, probably something the site admins can do

Lovius
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posted 2011/09/05 15:00    Visibility: World by Lovius
last edited on 2011/09/06 18:40 by Lovius

OK so if you start a group you become a sort of moderator or Administrator for that group, but this group has "No Owner" so does not have a administrator?

 
Lovius
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posted 2011/09/06 08:19    Visibility: World by Lovius
last edited on 2011/09/06 18:40 by Lovius


I did start a group called the Belgium group, but I did not really think I would become "Founder" I find it a bit off putting, to be in a mostly non-hierarchical organisation and then to have a founder!.
Maybe I find the word founder a bit too much like the Founding Fathers of the United States and all the connotations that brings, which to me is not really the direction I would want BW to head in, or maybe I just don't consider it realy to be an important part of BW who found what, and maybe it is also from the experiance of other hospitility sites where the founder started to become more and more powerful, and we all know where that is heading maybe!

As Founder I can ban people! I also can't think of a reason I would want to ban someone from the Belgium group, unless they did some terrible thing that would also require them to be removed from BW as a whole, like start spamming people. But from the Belgium group!

I think the are some groups, that should not have a founder, leader, administrator,
If the is any need for control, I would prefer that it is the organisation as a whole, or some one whom is chosen, no just the first one who creates the group!

Maybe I would be happy with Moderators more than Founders of groups and maybe I would be more happy with some sort of change is the current system of the first to create becomes the administrator of the group!

Are the any solutions to this? VegansVegetarians group does not have a founder! I just assumed I would not become a founder of Belgium!

Any help welcome :)

thorgal67
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posted 2011/09/06 09:27    Visibility: World by thorgal67
last edited on 2011/09/06 18:40 by thorgal67

@Lovius,

I think the name "founder" can easily be changed to "creator" or "administrator" or any other title. I don't see a bad side to the word "founder" but maybe "creator" is more accurate because even if you don't like it, YOU (Lovius) created! (for which we are grateful).

I think it is good that you have (as a creator/founder) some rights to chance the picture, description etc... but I agree with you that there should also be an option to create a group that everybody can adapt.

About the tool "ban a member from a group": it is not because you have that power, that you should necesarilly use it. I can imagine that you create a group only for your friends (calling the group "friends of Lovius") and if somebody no longer is your friend, you can then ban him, without the need to ban him completely from BW.

Does that make sense?

Anyway, I just created a croup called "Music Reviews". If some of you have a nice song or record to review, I would appreciate it if you could join that group...so that I can experiment a bit more with Lovius' remarks/suggestions

mahouni200000
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posted 2011/09/06 23:11    Visibility: World by mahouni200000
last edited on 2011/09/09 15:58 by mahouni200000

I don't know how the administration for the groups actually work.In my opinion, the problem with that "Founder" is a layout flaw. At the moment there is at first place a bold text "Founder of this Group", then the profile picture and the name of that person.The right way to do it would be: first the group members with profile pictures. At the bottom a small text like "This group has been created by King Ludwig . The group has 1 moderator: King Ludwig". With links to the profile of that member or these members but, no profile pictures. 

Lovius
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posted 2011/09/06 23:49    Visibility: World

Yes that would be going in the right direction, although I can see cases where it may be usful to have more than one person administrating the group, and other cases where none may be prefered.

garoto
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posted 2011/09/07 00:55    Visibility: World

I totally agree with mahouni!

thorgal67
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posted 2011/09/07 06:53    Visibility: World by thorgal67
last edited on 2011/09/09 15:58 by thorgal67

Yes, I also agree with mahouni that this would be much better. The "creator" or "founder" should be displayed (by name, not by profile picture) at the bottom.I also feel that groups should be able to be created in different ways:a) by one "administrator" (when one member creates a group for a specific purpose related to himself)b) allow the possibility to add other administratorsc) allow the possibility to have NO administrators....or alternatively everybody is an administratorThe groups have a huge potential, because they can be used for many purposes: creating volunteer teams, posting on a dedicated forum, finding like-minded members...
So thinking this through before making major changes is very important. Maybe we can even make a group "how to improve the forum" and gather all the suggestions there? 

Lovius
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posted 2011/09/07 09:19    Visibility: World by Lovius
last edited on 2011/09/09 15:58 by Lovius

a) by one "administrator" (when one member creates a group for a specific purpose related to himself) b) allow the possibility to add other administrators c) allow the possibility to have NO administrators.d) everybody is an administrator.With d. I would create the "last one in this group wins" group, where everyone starts baning everyone else at a set start time, and the last one in wins :)that sound great.  

Lovius
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posted 2011/09/07 10:24    Visibility: World by Lovius
last edited on 2011/09/07 12:25 by Lovius

I wonder if this is heading towards a Diaspora system embeded inside BW or BW embeded inside a Diaspora system ~